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Post  ScottRadom on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:41 am

So I am doing a dwarf army for our first ever "Ravening Hordes Army Challenge". I'm excited to be starting something with these guys. As argued in another blog post on this board I like the challenge of playing dwarfs effectively. But this post is all about the army challenge. I think for month one I will focus on getting 200 points of Iron Breakers finished. A unit of 20 w/command will not only paint up quickly with lots of washes and drybrushes for the all armored models but it's a key unit for my 2000 point Dwarf Battle plan. If I can get this done early my plan for month two is war machines, which I might just get done in august as well if my enthusiasm keeps up and my schedule from home and work commitments doesn't interfere with my Dwarfs.

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First Month's Projects

Post  ScottRadom on Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:50 pm

So I am excited to start these guys tommorrow. When you lay out 200 points of dwarfs it doesn't look like all that much! 1 Cannon, 8 IronBreakers w/Standard and Champion. Don't know what the total is but it's more than 200 points. I'll start off easy this month then hit the ground runnin' in September with some core unit stuff!

Good luck to everyone!

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Cannon Finished

Post  ScottRadom on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:24 pm

Finished a Cannon today. This was a model I used to play with back in the day stripped and re-painted. I opted to not go for the cannon painted in the army colors and leave it with a generic wood 'n metal finish. After finishing this I realized how much I really do like the new plastic kit so this piece may not see a lot of game time if I pick up a few of the plastic boxes. I'll use it till then and definetely keep it around for big games. Here's a couple pic's....





Now on to the Ironbreakers!

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Post  Carson on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:55 pm

Nice work, like the gold. What did you use for the metal areas. They look perfectly muted for a cannon.

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Re: Scott Radoms Army Challenge Dwarf Blog

Post  ScottRadom on Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:16 pm

The steel is Reaper Aged Pewter with 2 washes of Badab Black. No real highlights other than chainmail on some of the bolt heads and mithril silver on a rune (I don't think it's visible....). The Gold looking parts are actually vallejo model color Bronze, Devlan Mud wash, Highlights in VMC Brass. Easy peasy.

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Post  squalie on Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:40 pm

You should reconsider the new cannon. I really like the neutral colors and muted metals. I think that looks pretty darn good!...............................................................................................for Dwarfs.

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Test Ironbreaker complete

Post  ScottRadom on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:27 pm

So I did up one Ironbreaker to see if I liked it before going ahead with the rest of the unit. I'm satisfied so "Steady aas she goes, warp factor 3."

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Re: Scott Radoms Army Challenge Dwarf Blog

Post  Galadros on Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:28 am

Is that a giant pool of semen at your dwarf's feet?

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Re: Scott Radoms Army Challenge Dwarf Blog

Post  ScottRadom on Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:50 am

Galadros wrote:Is that a giant pool of semen at your dwarf's feet?

I really, really, really love dwarfs.

For the snow on the bases I am using a mix of 1/2 white glue and 1/2 snow flock. That's what it looks like when it's freshly applied.

P.S. I think you and I must have a different expectation of what a "Giant" pool of semen would actually entail. That's only a 20mm base my friend. Perhaps you should see a specialist.

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Ironbreakers

Post  ScottRadom on Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:02 pm

So here's my 8 Ironbreakers, which means I am done August's 200 points, YAY! Now off to figure out what's next!

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Post  nathanr on Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:00 pm

They look really good. The only problem with dwarfs is that you aren't going to win many "best painted army" because they lack the wow factor. Even really well-painted dwarf armies just sort of blend into the background because there are no big eye-catching models. That is my challenge to you... Make your dwarf army spectacular!

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Re: Scott Radoms Army Challenge Dwarf Blog

Post  ScottRadom on Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:35 pm

nathanr wrote:They look really good. The only problem with dwarfs is that you aren't going to win many "best painted army" because they lack the wow factor. Even really well-painted dwarf armies just sort of blend into the background because there are no big eye-catching models. That is my challenge to you... Make your dwarf army spectacular!

You're right. Without demons, cav etc. it's hard to do too much with these guys. I'm hoping my lord on shieldbearers and maybe gyrocopter can catch some eye focus but it is a real challenge. Dwarfs can score well, but it's very hard to get top marks no matter the effort made.

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Post  nathanr on Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:36 pm

It is also hard to go with a really wild colour scheme (like Carson's Dark Elves) because it just doesn't look right on dwarfs. Don't get me wrong, I love the look of a well-painted dwarf army on the table, and being a dwarf player I think I notice and can appreciate the work that goes into a well-made dwarf army where others might not.

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Post  RickyDMMontoya on Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:34 pm

I would think that a unit of Slayers would be a great centerpiece. The crazy hair and tattoos would give you a really good opportunity to mix in some colour.

I would love to see the Avatars of War Dwarf Berserker painted up, that model is frigging amazing (like all the other Avatars of War figs)!

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Re: Scott Radoms Army Challenge Dwarf Blog

Post  ScottRadom on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:26 pm

RickyDMMontoya wrote:I would think that a unit of Slayers would be a great centerpiece. The crazy hair and tattoos would give you a really good opportunity to mix in some colour.

I would love to see the Avatars of War Dwarf Berserker painted up, that model is frigging amazing (like all the other Avatars of War figs)!

Slayers do look cool, I just CAN'T make them work in game terms. I am going to try to use maybe 2-3 units of them instead of the one token unit. You're right, theyr'e a great focal piece for the army but still don't have the same ability to get a bedt painted title like a greater demon or dragon can.

Also I recentyl recieved my AoW Orc boss, Goblib Boss, and Goblin King. They're wicked good!

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Post  squalie on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:44 pm

I have to agree with Scott; when I play against my buddy, Slayers are the last unit I worry about. They do look cool though.

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Post  nathanr on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:49 am

They can be really good, they are much better than flagellants, especially with a slayer character thrown in, but they are really expensive for no armour!

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Post  squalie on Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:12 am

This is off topic (sorry, Scott), but Slayers are great if they get the charge off. In my experience, that usually doesn't happen without the Anvil. No armour on a Dwarf makes me smile.....

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Post  ScottRadom on Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:33 am

Off topic... who cares! So long as it's warhammery than giddy-up!

A note on Slayers vs Flaggelants.....

Flagelants are way better. Why do I say that? Because they are a reliable, unbreakable army in a HUMAN army. They give the sort of reliability a giant gives an orc player (In terms of leadership and animosity if not actual HtH results). NOTHING in an empire army gives you the certainty of not being run off board, destroyed by a lucky charge etc. like a unit of flagelants does for that list. Slayers provide the same sort of reliability to an army that already has that sort of stability built right into their stat line. Flagelants don't have the same rep as slayers so they get shot less etc. making them better able to perform their task of whatever tehy've been assigned to do. Slayers are arrow magnets which on one hand may keep your other units safe (dwarfs are already near immune to stupid elf arrows!) but Slayers are expensive, no armor, no charge range etc. Dwarfs don't need slayers to hold flanks etc. as they can use the more versatile and survivable core units to accomplish the same thing at a much reduced cost.

Adding a character to the slayers makes them more deadly in HtH but really, really, puts the exclamation point on their cost. Also I still don't think you're going to find the same versatility you would find by putting a character with a basic unit of core warriors.

Slayers are not totally without value, I just find them overcosted for what their perfomance has usually given me.

Now with all that said I do plan on painting up at least three units of 20 slayers. I think one unit of slayers is absolute garbage. Three units may do the trick! They're super cool models and will be a great way to break up the monotony of painting heavy armor for my dwarf project. Just don't expect me to put stupid useless musicians in their ranks!

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Post  nathanr on Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:25 pm

I once upgraded my entire unit of slayers to giant slayers and put 2 dragon slayer characters in it. It wasn't a smart move, but I was playing against an army with minimal shooting and I had plenty of anti-magic so I thought what the heck. The unit was killed to a dwarf, but took out 3 or 4 units in the process and held my flank for the entire game (just about made their points back!)

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Post  squalie on Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:36 pm

Practically every game I've had against Dwarfs has had the Anvil. Absolutely annoying unit. But when that thing starts to "bang-a-gong" those stupid short bearded fellows can sure get up and move. Makes me hate Miners MUCH more than Slayers. Although 3 units of 20 would sure make me raise an eyebrow....

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September Update...

Post  ScottRadom on Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:10 pm

So for this month I am trying to paint up at least one core unit. I am starting qith a unit of 10 quarellers. I am not sure if I am going to hit all ten this month as they're actually a little more elaborate than some of the other models once you factor in the crossbows and fiddly bits. I'm not really rushing these guys and I have another 12 Iron breakers that will help ensure I hit my "200" for the month. One note on why I like at least one unit of quarrelers in my army, I find that even though thunderers are better in almost every way (+1 to hit makes an enormous difference, armor piercing doesn't hurt either) I do enjoy the 30" range. It keeps units from hiding outside of the standard 2 foot gap in deployment, and it means that they'll rarely have to miss a turn without a target. I find Thunderes rarely get to shoot on the first turn unless my opponent elects to go first and give me a target and they're a bugger to redeploy if they have to get a long range target (Like war machines) in their sights. Crossbows help me fill that gap. Anyway, here's the first three....



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Post  nathanr on Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:57 pm

These are really well done. I like the shading on the drum, the blue looks good too, I like the subtle blends.

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Post  squalie on Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:09 am

It's funny, I thought the same thing (hmm, I really like that drum). I mentioned earlier that I like the muted tones. I wish I would have had the courage to do snow bases to my Beasts. I just think it really adds something.

You should paint frost on their beards! Cool

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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:51 am

Thanks guys. I have struggled to find a snow effect I like. I am happy with this, it's just white glue mixed about 50/50 with whatever snow flock you want to use. I have used the GW stuff on some bases and a big jug of woodland scenics stuff on either. I can tell the difference between the two products pretty easily but after it's mixed with glue and on the bases you can't tell, so I'd use whatever you can get the cheapest if you want to try this.

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