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Post  nathanr on Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:29 am

I am having a lot of trouble figuring out a list for this. I think I've narrowed it down to two:

Kingdom of Equitaine

Lord on bearded warhorse with all the goodies
Paladin with battle standard on a barded warhorse
Wizard master damsel with 2 spells on a horse

12 knights aspirant full command
10 knights of the realm full command

5 scouting questing knights full command
5 grail knights full command
3 pegasus knights, standard, champ
3 Pegasus knights, standard, champ
1 trebuchet

Or

Highborn elves

Lord on Griffon with all the goodies again
Hero with battle standard, 2 spells

41 spears with full command
5 silverhelms with musician
5 silverhelms with musician

21 swordmasters full command
10 knights of Ryma full command
Lion chariot
Frost Phoenix

Both lists are light on shooting, weighted more for close combat and both are fairly character heavy. 4500 points is tough to fit what I want. I think the KoE list has more tricks but the Highborn elves seem like they'd be fun. Let me know what you think.
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Post  squalie on Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:45 pm

I'd really like to see you run the KoE, especially since the Lord has a bearded horse which would be totally cool to see. Wink

Also, I'd rather have 3 spells to cast then a Wizard master with 2 spells. I'd drop master, pick a third spell and take the 20 point sceptre of power. you'll have a better chance of getting a spell through and avoid miscast.
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Post  nathanr on Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:05 pm

I'm leaning toward the KoE list too actually. I'll probably try to play a couple games with both lists in the next couple of months to see how they do before I make my decision though.
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Post  Carson on Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:22 pm

I'd vote for the knights. You'll do well with them. It would be fun to keep a running tally over the tournament how many points your general could claim

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Re: Edmonton onslaught

Post  Nathan.A. on Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:05 pm

I agree with Don, about the wizard being better off as 3 spells non master. Also my vote would also be for KoE, the list just seems more interesting.
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Post  blizzard435 on Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:49 pm

I see a severe lack of Dragons in both lists. But the KOE list looks fun!
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Post  nathanr on Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:20 pm

I tried hard dwayne, I just found at 4500 points I was giving up way too much to get a dragon in.
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Re: Edmonton onslaught

Post  nathanr on Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:47 pm

Looking at the list of participants signed up for Onslaught there are already 2 kingdom of equitaine armies. Also, no highborn elves. Looks like I'll be taking the highborn elves unless a few test games tell me they are complete garbage.
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Post  Nathan.A. on Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:34 pm

Looking at the HBE list I'm wondering if 2 spells is even worth taking a wizard for? Would it be a "better" idea to take another caster with a few spells instead of something else?

Maybe drop the chariot and add another wizard? I'm not sure but lots of these videos I watch on the youtube have multiple casters and lots of spells, seems to be working for them, just an idea.
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Post  squalie on Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:55 am

I think this is where I'm going - have to finish the second unit of Slaughterers, but they're almost done.

Scourge of Wrath, reroll 1's to hit sword, dispel horn, Iron hide
Herald of Wrath BSB eternal sword, 20 slaughterers, FC, always strength 5 swords, war banner
Herald of Wrath, 20 slaughterers, FC, lethal strike swords
3 Bloodcrushers, Aether Icon
5 Hellhounds
5 Hellhounds
Blood Cannon Chariot
5 Furies of Wrath

4500 exactly
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Post  Carson on Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:27 am

scary list, your games will be fast anyway with no magic to worry about.

I'm going to run Empire, I'm still working on my list though.

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Post  blizzard435 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:12 pm

Here's my onslaught list as it stands. Going to be pumping out halberdiers for the next couple of weeks.

General: Knight Commander on horse w/barding. Jack's Pickaxe, Duskstone
BSB: Marshal Great Weapon and Dragon Mantle
Wizard: 2 spells pyromancy (maybe divination)
Prelate: Great weapon
Prelate: horse with barding and shield
Artificer: Long rifle

10xCrossbowmen w/Musician
20xHalberdiers w/full command
20xHalberdiers w/full command
10xMilitia with Pistols
30xSwordmen w/full command
38xImperial Guard w/Greatswords, full command
8xKnightly Orders w/ full command
Arcane Altar with foresight
Cannon
Mortar

7 scoring units, some knights have popped into the list for a change.

Could drop some halberds to get some other cav units but I like halberdiers. Would need to rearrange some units to fit in a cav hammer knight unit.
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Re: Edmonton onslaught

Post  nathanr on Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:53 pm

No reiters? I often find them the most annoying unit to deal with.
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Post  blizzard435 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:46 pm

They've been under performing for me and wasn't much room in the list to fit them.
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Post  Carson on Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:50 pm

I like the list alot but I would really try to fit reiters in, like nathan said they are awesome for interfering with your opponents game plans.

I decided to bring orcs again....can't seem to get too far away from this army.

30 cave goblins, bows, nets, 2 mad gits, command
30 cave goblins, bows, nets, 2 mad gits, command
1 apprentice cave goblin, pyromancy, 3 learned spells
skewerer
skewerer
1 bsb cave goblin, razor blade, pan of protection pinchin, war standard
21 common orcs, spears, bows, command
boar chariot
boar chariot
gargantula
great green idol
1 iron orc warboss, talisman of greater shielding, wizards hood
20 iron orcs, command, ironhide icon
1 cave goblin king, cave gnasher, dragonscale helm, potion of swiftness, axe of the aporcalypse!!!!!!

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Post  blizzard435 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:05 pm

I can drop 10 greatswords to pick up a unit of 5 reiters with heavy armor and braces.  

OR

I could drop my wizard and pick up the wizard's hood on one of my prelates.  It's risky (I would end up randomizing both my path and spells every battle) but would be more cost effective.

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General: Knight Commander on horse w/barding. Jack's Pickaxe, Duskstone
BSB: Marshal Great Weapon, talisman of shielding, and Dragon Mantle
Prelate: Great weapon, Wizard's Hood
Prelate: horse with barding and shield
Artificer: Long rifle

10xCrossbowmen w/Musician
20xHalberdiers w/full command
20xHalberdiers w/full command
10xMilitia with Pistols
30xSwordmen w/full command
33xImperial Guard w/Greatswords, full command
8xKnightly Orders w/ full command
Arcane Altar with foresight
5xReiters with Brace of pistols and heavy armor
Cannon
Mortar
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Post  Carson on Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:32 pm

Here is a list that Ive come up with to take to Edmonton. I have had one game with it only but it performed well. I really need some feed back on this so lets hear it.

50 cave goblins, command, bows, 3 mad gits...they work really well at shaving wounds off of monsters and clearing chaff. hold a flank really well
1 giant...flank holder in tandem with the cave goblins

19 iron orcs, command
1 iron orc chieftan, 1+ save...deployed with iron orcs, makes the iron orcs stubborn

1 cave troll...an awesome chaff unit. 4+,4+ is hard to get through. shoved up into a units face it will die and then its all about how far the enemy can overrun.

15 boarriders, command, warbanner...Ive tried this unit and its 3+ save is good, flanking unit
1 orc shamen on boar, master with 3 shamanism spells, dispel scroll, ax of battle...deploys with the boar riders. A fighty shamen that can take challenges and survive.

1 orc bsb in chariot, bluffers helm...1+ chariot bsb with the bluffers helm is very hard to get through and he packs a potent punch on the charge....I want him to work in tandem with the boar boyz

1 gargantula...great flanking unit

1warlord on wyvern...3+/4+ general with 18" range...holds back for leadership until the right moment

5 feral orc headbasher boar riders...cheap unit that can dish out 15 str5 attacks

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Post  nathanr on Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:15 pm

I think it'll work. It looks mean enough to me. How much less points is that lone troll than the mangler squig? They do a similar job and you don't need to keep the mangler squig in a leadership bubble for it to be effective.
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Post  Carson on Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:31 pm

Good point, other than the fact that it has to move every movement phase. Not sure what is better?

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Post  nathanr on Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:40 pm

Personally I am far more afraid of the mangler than I am of the troll. The troll is more controllable than the mangler as long as you keep your leadership bubble but if you want a chaff unit why not use wolf riders or even a wolf chariot? I might be way off on this though and the troll might be great.
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Post  squalie on Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:53 pm

I'm waaaay more terrified of a Mangler than a troll. The common complaint is that Manglers always die...good, that's their job. Hopefully after they've done enough damage. I can ignore your Giant, Arach for a turn or so, but I can't ignore that Mangler and single Trolls are often on the flank, outside of General range.

Is 19 Iron Orcs enough?

A shaman in 15 Boar riders? Madness. Smile

I just don't understand an O&G list without at least 6 Trolls, especially if you're General has 18" Inspiring presence. And Trolls are cool.

The small Savage Boar unit acts kind of like your single troll or Mangler. They'll die anyways, but you'll hope they kill something on the way out.
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Post  Carson on Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:34 pm

Ive really tried to like trolls, they are awesome...but they will never get points, the lack of any ranks means they rely totally upon wounds. I'm assuming I just don't know how to play them.

I'm going to swap out the troll for the mangler.
19 iron orcs by themselves are too few, with a character they have stubborn and are not too points heavy to eat up all your alloted points...they get expensive very fast.

My previous list had 6 trolls which replaced the iron orc character and the feral boar riders. The iron orcs were too small, and the above mentioned problem with the trolls.

thoughts?

The rest of the orc world says the same thing about the shamen and boar riders...they held out against a chaos lord and 7 once chosen for 3 turns. scarification on the shamen is great for taking challenges.


Here is the first list I had...which is better?

50 cave goblins, command, bows, 3 mad gits
1 gnasher wrecking team
1 giant
1 orc shamen, boar, master, 3 learned spells, shamanism,
15 boarriders, command, warbanner
26 iron orcs, command
1 iron orc chieftan, boar
6 bridge trolls
1 iron orc warlord, wyvern,
1 orc bsb, chariot,


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Post  blizzard435 on Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:57 pm

Carson wrote:

The rest of the orc world says the same thing about the shaman and boar riders...they held out against a chaos lord and 7 once chosen for 3 turns. scarification on the shamen is great for taking challenges.

That may be a one-in-a-lifetime event. Like 5 imperial rangers killing a mangler and only losing two models.

I definitely think that the Iron orc block is a little weak but like you said, points are tight. Manglers are scary and at 4500 points, anything that you throw at them to remove them would be costly (unless your Dom with free zombie hordes).

is 15 boar boys a good investment of points or would two smaller blocks be better? After 10, the unit may be a little unwieldy to get where you need them to go. Especially with terrain heavy boards.
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Re: Edmonton onslaught

Post  Carson on Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:09 pm

other than cave goblins I think boarriders are the best choice for core, 2 units of ten might be better?

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Post  Kuyp on Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:59 pm

Carson i am with the guys on the single troll vrs mangler. i like the single troll but i feel like that's more for a bunker general type list.

I would also like some feed back on my newest list ...

Vamp courtier (hero lv) Nosferatu
Arcane Knowledge- 6+ range on spells (3+ for aura)
2 learned spells, one for free and the trait evocation spell, lore of evocation ,plus the dead arise (have to take it)
staff of Gerhad the black, re-rolls failed channel attempts and a single dice from each evocation of souls

Vamp courtier (hero lv) Nosferatu
Arcane Knowledge- 6+ range on spells (3+ for aura)
3 learned spells, one for free and the trait evocation spell, occultism

Barrow king
bsb
halberd
Armour of destiny

Necromancer
1 learned spell path of evocation

6 Vampire Knights full command
6 Vampire Swarm
10 wraiths
corpse cart, endless horde
alter of undeath, dark tome
25 zombies , banner
25 zombies, banner
25 skeletons, halberds full command
29 skeletons, halberds full command
5 dire wolves
5 dire wolves

thoughts ?


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