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Post  Carson on Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:50 pm

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Post  nathanr on Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:58 pm

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Post  Mhael on Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:23 pm

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Post  blizzard435 on Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:03 pm

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Post  Carson on Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:33 pm

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Post  Nathan.A. on Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:02 pm

Can I get a quick breakdown again of how league playoff spots are determined? Can't find the post where that was discussed earlier in the year.
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Post  blizzard435 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:56 pm

I think it's top two point totals and top two average points per game. Not sure if the wildcard is the next top points.
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Post  Mhael on Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:57 pm

We can open the discussion on changing it. Last league it was top 2 in points against each other. Top 2 in avg pts/game against each other with the winner playing the wildcard who is the top point getter of those not already in a playoff spot. Not in love with this as i dont think this person should get a first round by
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Post  blizzard435 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:10 pm

I like the top two seeds (two top points, two top average points). Wild cards complicate it unless we have a lot of players in the league.
I like this structure for playoffs:
Top points vs Second Average Points
Top Average vs Second Top Points

Winner vs Winner for league champion.

Two rounds, no confusion and on to the next league.
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Post  nathanr on Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:12 pm

Being the wildcard entry into playoffs this time around I totally agree that it is weird for me to have the advantage of a bye through the first round. I mean, I'll take it but I think that if any advantage is to be given it should be to the top seeded person in playoffs rather than the worst player. I guess it is probably designed to even the odds amoung the bottom 3.
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Post  Carson on Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:13 pm

Right now its top 2 in points, top 2 points per game, and then a wild card of the top points......all needed to fulfill the minimum 9 games played.

There has to be a better system, If anyone has it, let it be known. Dwayne's format looks good if we want to take out the wildcard.

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Post  nathanr on Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:45 pm

I think that's a good format. If we ever have a big league again we could do a 6 or 8 person playoff format but as it is we can drop it to 4. I'm even fine if we do it for this league, my win/loss record was not very playoff-worthy. I will be sad to not get to use the sweet list I made to kill some rats but such is life.
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Post  Nathan.A. on Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:54 pm

I personally do not like the idea that people with lots of points get playoff spots. My main reason for disliking this is I will never play enough games to get one of those spots. For this reason I don't really want to pay money to enter a league where I only have a 2/4 chance of getting a playoff spot. If there are 4 playoff spots I would like all players who play the minimum games required to be equally likely to get any of the spots, playing fewer games while still meeting the minimum requirement should not put you at a disadvantage.

Average points per game is excellent, it seems to me to be the best way to calculate rankings. I would prefer a system where top 4 average points per game were awarded playoff spots. I understand people could try and manipulate this, I don't think our group contains any of these people.

Just my thoughts of course, hopefully some of you agree.
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Post  Carson on Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:43 pm

we will keep the format we have for these playoffs but this coming league is up for discussion......keep it coming.

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Post  blizzard435 on Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:44 pm

I like average points per game.  it makes every game important, no matter how many games you get in.  There needs to be a way that points degrade over time that is fair.  I'll look into it but maybe if you play less than a certain amount of games over X weeks, your point average drops or something  (and vice versa if you play lots you get a bump up).  I did a cursory look on google but can't find any good websites on how to set this up.

Something to encourage constant game playing.
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Post  nathanr on Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:18 pm

I agree that most points can be a bad indicator of player skill. The issue with average is that your games affect your average less as you play more games. Maybe it is rather an average of your top 12 games? 12 being the minimum number of games needed to make playoffs, it encourages you to play more games and doesn't penalize it because once you hit 12 your average can't go down. Maybe keep your worst score in the mix so there is always the danger that you could go down with a crushing loss? Or just go with the average of your last 12 games?
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Post  blizzard435 on Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:20 pm

The other factor is non-league games and how they factor in.
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Post  nathanr on Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:23 pm

Not at all. Everyone should be in the league.
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Post  Mhael on Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:12 pm

Any thoughts on going back to a ladder system?
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Post  squalie on Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:27 pm

It was brought up (by me) that non-league games count for 5 points, even with a loss, where you may get less than that playing a league player - again, if you lost. Playing 5 games with a guy not in the league gets me a cool 25 points, more if painted - and I lost all 5 games. Smile

Also, even though we try to encourage more games, I think everyone that posts here WANTS to play more games, but some have a lifestyle that prevents that. You can try to promote more games all you want, but that simply wouldn't work with a guy that has 6 kids, a wife and a mistress. It'll just make him frustrated that the 22 year old in the league can play his room mate, brother or boss 6 times a week and walk into top 2 in points. If we need to force a guy to play more games, he shouldn't be in the league to begin with. I honestly don't have the answer, but that's a couple thoughts.
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Post  Carson on Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:57 pm

The ladder was easy to use and one could quickly determine who was in the playoffs. The problem with it was that no one cared where they were on the ladder, but I think that was a symptom of the lack of a real prize for league championship. That's been solved with the increased league fee's....we have a cool 200 up for grabs this league.

Points per game would work, I like the idea of the top 4 averages making the playoffs but maybe we should go to minimum 12 games........that's only 2 games a month. If we went to 12 games we wouldn't have to worry about best and worst scores.

non league games 2pts max?

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Post  Mhael on Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:13 pm

I noticed the Alberta group has assigned weekly matchups. Could this work with our out of town group? Maybe not but we could adopt a more structured league with points for pickup games as well. I think if we try for a monthly system instead of weekly...as in 4 mandatory games each.
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Post  squalie on Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:13 pm

Mhael wrote:I noticed the Alberta group has assigned weekly matchups. Could this work with our out of town group?  Maybe not but we could adopt a more structured league with points for pickup games as well. I think if we try for a monthly system instead of weekly...as in 4 mandatory games each.

I'm the only out of town dude, and I can easily make a trip to get 4 games in a month.
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Post  Nathan.A. on Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:32 pm

I like the idea of a structured league setup.

What about a system where everyone needs to play everyone else one time, and those games are all counted in an average points per game score, which is used to determine playoff spots.

After that there could be 3 or 4 more games required (however many we need to meet the minimum), but could be played against anyone in the league. We could then make the extra games count differently, wherein only your 4 best scores count, this encourages more games.

Just some thoughts.
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Post  Carson on Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:40 pm

All good ideas here.

I'd like to get the new league up and running with a new format.

ideas so far:

playoffs...top 4 in points per game, minimum 12 games
non league games count for 2 points max
assigned games
everyone must play everyone at least once, these scores are used for playoffs

Whats the consensus?

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