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Post  Kal on Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:26 am

Good Morning Gentlemen !

So i have a rule question that i think I've been doing wrong... how is a winner of a game determined? Is it by who won the points /5000? Or who won the 20-0 spread?

Thanks!

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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Carson on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:41 am

this came up in our game because of the secondary objectives.

games are determined by vp spread, battle points determine the level of victory.

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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:09 pm

Yes that is partially why it came up, but it mostly came up because if that is the case i have been doing things WAAAAYY wrong. I looked back over my and Brians games and it wasnt an issue. Just want to make sure i'm doing the rules correct so just to clarify that I'm explaining properly.

Example :

Opponent A won the points/5000 so he got a 12,

Opponent B won the secondary but lost the points/5000 and got an 8

With the Secondary going to Opponent B +3 / -3 the score ends Opponent A=9 and Opponent B=11

Opponent A Wins?
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Carson on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:22 pm

thats right

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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:32 pm

Carson wrote:thats right

I trust you budday, but as you were the opponent that mercilessly beat me into the ground I'll wait for one other to chime in Wink just because who knows maybe we are all doing this different. I know me and Brian were, but that might be my fault.
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  squalie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:30 pm

Wait - how does this work? After objective, if a player has less points...how does he win? Isn't that the point of objectives?
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  nathanr on Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:35 pm

I have no idea, it seems like it could go either way. I think with the format we use for the league it doesn't really matter seeing as how we don't care about the W/L/T numbers for playoffs, just the overall points and the average points per game which is just total points/games played.
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Post  squalie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:39 pm

Regardless, we should figure out who wins a game, lol. *goes off to read the rule book I promised to read*
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Carson on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:46 pm

Now I'm confused after rereading the rules on page 95, not sure which way it would go.

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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:52 pm

Carson wrote:Now I'm confused after rereading the rules on page 95, not sure which way it would go.

See, me too! Honestly even with the recent arguments from me I'm not just chasing a rule to try and get a win. I just really don't know... glad to hear I'm not the only one...
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Post  Kuyp on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:29 pm

im confused as to what is confusing Neutral

the winner of the game is decided by points difference on chart. Then if there is a secondary objective, the player who won the secondary gains three and the points on the scale the other losses three... seems pretty clear cut to me

so if Sean plays Carson and beats him by a difference of points lets say 226-450 range, then Sean wins the game 11-9 . however lets say Carson took the secondary objective the final score is 12-8 in favor of Carson
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:56 am

See that's the way I was thinking Dom. It was the other way around tho. I purposely shoved my bull riders into his deployment instead of ramming another unit, just for the objective. I almost lost the unit giving him more points and me losing the objective. (that's why I was so excited when I rolled a 4 for LD and the two bulls stuck around in your deployment Carson)
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:09 pm

So whats the verdict ? Figured we should learn the rules eventually Very Happy
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  squalie on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:03 pm

The way I read it is victory points determine your battle point score - which can then be affected by secondary objective. Victory points don't win you the game per se - they are used to determine the winner after converted to battle points.

If your secondary objective converts you to having a higher battle score - you win. So, in Sean's game against Carson, I think Sean won - if there was a swing in the battle score. If it was 12-8 battle score for Carson, but the objective turned it into an 11-9 for Sean - Sean wins.
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  blizzard435 on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:13 pm

I agree with Don's assessment.

Victory Points are used to generate Battle Points which are then affected by secondary objectives. The person with more battle points wins the game.

I feel that the 9th age group mixed up the naming convention on Battle points and Victory points though. Battle points should be generated from the battle differential and the victory points should be the final points for determining the victory.
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  squalie on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:36 pm

We should also be careful about adding VP's. I didn't know that a unit that was fleeing, AND equal to or less than 25% of starting unit gave full victory points.
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:48 pm

squalie wrote:We should also be careful about adding VP's. †I didn't know that a unit that was fleeing, AND equal to or less than 25% of starting unit gave full victory points.

Not quite... i think?

Dead or Fled For each enemy unit that has been killed or has fled the Battlefield, you gain a number of VP
equal to its point value


This is off the table correct?

Scared For each enemy unit that is fleeing on the Battlefield at the end of the game, you gain a
number of VP equal to half its point value (rounding up).
Decimated For each enemy unit that is at or below 25% of its starting number of Wounds at the end of
the game, you gain a number of VP equal to half its point value (rounding up). Characters
are counted separately from the units they have joined.
Note that if an enemy unit is both Scared and Decimated, you gain a number of VP equal to
the unitís total point value


These are of the table?

So still half for the stuff on the table. Just total points like we have been doing for everything that went off.... or am i not getting this either?

@ Other Rule Question, I too agree it was the wording that needs to be fixed. But i agree with Don's assessment. NOW GIVE ME THAT GLORIOUS VICTORY! bounce
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  squalie on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:57 pm

Not quite... i think?

Very quite...I know.

"Both fleeing and at or below 25% VP equal to the units total point score"
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Brian on Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:00 pm

Wow Sean whine yourself to first place
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:21 am

squalie wrote:
Not quite... i think?

†Very quite...I know.

†"Both fleeing and at or below 25% VP equal to the units total point score"

Ohh i see what your saying ha didn't even catch that the 2nd time lol Swear i read that sentence too, just didnt click. *eyes glazed over with rules*. Hrm... guess that would happen more often than not eh? Thinking over today's game, was almost an issue with the Boar Boys, definitely could have mattered in previous game. Ha nice catch reading those "rules" Don, we have been saying we were going to do that for some time lol. I'm working on them too lol.

New Question.

Awaken the Beast Spell.

"The Target Gains +1 Strength/Toughness."

what if your targeting a unit of Boar Boys? Just the guys on top get it correct? What if you are targeting an Arachnarok with a Character? is it

A) Just the Spider
B) Just the Character
C) Just the 8 Goblins Mounted
D) Any or all of the above?

Serious Question lol
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  nathanr on Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:24 am

Whole model. Combined profile means exactly that. In terms of toughness you add 1 to the highest toughness and use that for all model parts for the duration of the spell. For the added strength each model part gets +1 strength.
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:00 am

Heh thanks Nathan. One of those ones that just felt weird yesterday when I cast it on the Arachnarok. We just went with the spider got +1 str. But totally makes sense, you cast it on a horde of gobbos all 50 get it, why wouldn't all 10 parts of the spider. So the Boars would get it to in the first scenario?
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  squalie on Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:13 am

Kal wrote:Heh thanks Nathan. One of those ones that just felt weird yesterday when I cast it on the Arachnarok. We just went with the spider got +1 str. But totally makes sense, you cast it on a horde of gobbos all 50 get it, why wouldn't all 10 parts of the spider. So the Boars would get it to in the first scenario?

Yes, as long as it says "target" or "unit". Same rules as Nathan explained.
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Kal on Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:39 am

Shiny, this is awesome. Thanks guys. Them crazy rules eh Wink
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Re: Rule Question - 9th Age 1.3

Post  Carson on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:20 am

yep, Sean would of won that game......lame secondary objectives! Very Happy

I'll adjust the standings.

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