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Post  Kal on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:00 pm

Ok so this is the list for Feb. I'm pretty positive I have all of these models. I just need to build my infantry to make sure I have those and verify my artillery is actually the 25 pounders... hope so...

Canadian Armoured Squadron HQ

2 Sherman V with .50 Cal AA MG

Canadian Armoured Platoon

3 Sherman V With .50 Cal AA MG
1 Firfefly VC (late) with .50 Cal AA MG

Canadian Armoured Platoon

3 Sherman V With .50 Cal AA MG
1 Firfefly VC (late) with .50 Cal AA MG

Canadian Recce Patrol
2 Stuart VI
1 Stuart VI with AA MG

Canadian Scout Platoon
2 Universal Carrier with .50 Cal MG
1 Universal Carrier with PIAT

Rifle Platoon
1 Cmd Rifle/MG Team
1 PIAT Team
1 Light Mortar Team
6 Rifle/MG Team
3 Ram Kangaroo APC with .50 Cal MG

Field Battery
2 OQF 25pdr gun

Anyways this is pretty much the standard list I normally bring. Except this time I think I actually own all these models now. Due to my limitations on models the list cant change very much obviously so I guess i'm more asking if 1. I built the list correctly and 2. It looks somewhat useable.

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:49 pm

What about less .50s but two more 25pdrs:
Armoured Squadron (Canadian)
Confident Veteran Tank Company
POINTS 1625

Armoured Squadron HQ (1C)  
1 Sherman III or V
1 Sherman III or V with .50 cal AA MG
= 165

Armoured Platoon (1C)  
3 Sherman III or V
1 Firefly IC (late) or VC (late)
= 385

Armoured Platoon (1C)  
3 Sherman III or V
1 Firefly IC (late) or VC (late)
= 385

Recce Patrol (1C)  
2 Honey Stuart
1 Honey Stuart with AA MG
= 150

Rifle Platoon (78th)
1 Cmd Rifle/MG team
1 PIAT team
1 Light Mortar team
6 Rifle/MG team
3 Sherman Kangaroo APC with .50 cal AA MG
= 220

Motor Carrier Platoon (1C)    
2 Universal Carrier with .50 cal MG
1 Universal Carrier with PIAT anti-tank projector
= 125

Field Battery, Royal Artillery (1C)  
2 Cmd Rifle team
1 Staff team
1 Observer Rifle team
1 OP Carrier
4 OQF 25 pdr gun
= 195

* .50 cals mean you pop your top hatch and have a top armour zero until your next turn = lots of bad stuff that normally you should be able to ignore. I love seeing people do that = I assault tanks with top armour zero allowing ones and twos on an assault being the "end" of that tank crew!
* 2 gun batteries
= mean rerolling hits which means when you really need that pin you might not get it - the smoke is very ineffective at only one template in size
= very easy platoon to kill or assault
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Post  |marauder| on Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:21 pm

In case you are interested in a Mid War Tournament:
Confident Trained  Tank Company
POINTS 1555

Armoured Squadron HQ (Canadian)  
2 Sherman III or V
= 225

Armoured Platoon (Canadian)  
3 Sherman III or V
= 350

Armoured Platoon (Canadian)  
3 Sherman III or V
= 350

Recce Patrol (Canadian)  
2 Honey Stuart III
1 Honey Stuart III with AA MG
= 175
Divisional Support

Rifle Platoon (Canadian)    
1 Cmd Rifle/MG team
1 Light Mortar team
1 PIAT team
6 Rifle/MG team
= 155

Scout Platoon (8th Army)  
Confident  Veteran  
2 Universal Carrier with .50 cal MG
1 Universal Carrier with Boys anti-tank rifle
= 125

Field Battery, Royal Artillery (Canadian)  
2 Cmd Rifle team
1 Jeep
1 Staff team
1 Observer Rifle team
1 15 cwt truck
4 OQF 25 pdr gun
= 175

North Africa - British Mid-War - Platoon Count: 6
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Re: Sean's Canadian's

Post  Kal on Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:44 pm

Ha problem is I don't have that many 25 pdrs atm lol. But I do like that idea. The multitude of. 50's is to fill points. And to go pew pew obviously
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Post  Kal on Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:02 pm

Skrew it. Ill just buy more. More is better
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Post  |marauder| on Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:46 am

Kal wrote:Skrew it. Ill just buy more. More is better
More is better - think I have an extra 25 pounder myself.
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Re: Sean's Canadian's

Post  Kal on Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:49 am

KK so i adjusted the list, is less infantry that much of a bad thing? I believe i'm only using them to hold objectives
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Post  nathanr on Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:57 am

Did you get rid of your infantry entirely? I think you should have at least 1 platoon. With the Ram APC's you can get them into the fight pretty safely and at the same speed as your other tanks. Your initial list was decent, you just needed to drop a few .50 cal's in order to get yourself the points for 2 more 25 pdrs.
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Post  Kal on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:04 am

No i didnt get rid of them completely, reduced them from 3 to 2.

I'm adjusting the list mostly because turns out i have no 25 pdrs i have something else my army cant even take. and i have no Ram Kangaroo's just some other type of transport that again i dont think i can take haha.

I just ordered 2x 25pdrs and some Universal Carriers, didnt see any variants for these for the PIAT?
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Post  nathanr on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:10 am

I've got 4 25 pdrs you could use and to start out you can use turretless shermans as your RAM kangaroos.
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Post  |marauder| on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:13 am

nathanr wrote:Did you get rid of your infantry entirely?  I think you should have at least 1 platoon.  With the Ram APC's you can get them into the fight pretty safely and at the same speed as your other tanks.  Your initial list was decent, you just needed to drop a few .50 cal's in order to get yourself the points for 2 more 25 pdrs.
Good advice - I agree whole heartedly!
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Re: Sean's Canadian's

Post  Kal on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:14 am

Do you think you'll make this event? Because i would definitely borrow some 25 pdrs, (the shoot smoke too right?) ANd oh yeah turretless Shermans are the same thing as a Ram Kangaroo... but i still wana get the real figs

I should drive up to Saskatoon for a game of FOW sometime. Do you guys know the rules well enough to teach me too? lol
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Post  |marauder| on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:24 am

Kal wrote:No i didnt get rid of them completely, reduced them from 3 to 2.
Reducing your infantry especially if you are using them to hold an objective is not really a good idea. The large British platoon size is one of its strengths. It can typically deal with several assaults and still be a viable force. Most German Grenadiers have to combat attach a bunch of stuff to come close.  
Kal wrote:
I'm adjusting the list mostly because turns out i have no 25 pdrs i have something else my army cant even take.
What do you have?
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and i have no Ram Kangaroo's just some other type of transport that again i dont think i can take haha.
Again - what do you have? The Canadians used a bizarre truck/jeep that is unarmoured but goes 16" in the game. I have some of the models. They are a lot cheaper on points than the Rams.
Kal wrote:
I just ordered 2x 25pdrs and some Universal Carriers, didnt see any variants for these for the PIAT?
Again two gun batteries are not that good - 25 pounders are okay to sit on an objective especially with their turn style radius and ROF2.


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Post  |marauder| on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:27 am

Kal wrote:Do you think you'll make this event? Because i would definitely borrow some 25 pdrs, (the shoot smoke too right?)
I will be there and I also have eight 25 pounders myself. Yes, they do shoot smoke in an artillery barrage (not 100% sure about direct fire though).
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ANd oh yeah turretless Shermans are the same thing as a Ram Kangaroo... but i still wana get the real figs
I also have the Ram Kangaroos although the list I made you I think they are Sherman Kangaroos so Nathan's idea would be more accurate.
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Post  nathanr on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:46 am

25 pdrs can't fire direct smoke.  I'm planning to be there, you can borrow my extra 25pdrs Sean.  I'll even try to get them painted before then.  I also have some extra Shermans you could use as your kangaroos.  I've got 3 of the old resin ones so they'll even have the hole in the middle.

I'm guessing you have some defrocked priests, they're decent but the RAM Kangaroos have way better armour.  I think the artillery thing you have is the Canadian rocket battery thingy.

I'm decent with the rules now so I think we could probably make it through a game or two without messing things up too badly. Let me know in advance if you are planning to come up and I'll try to make the time for a game. These weeks before Christmas aren't great but I should have more time after.
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Post  |marauder| on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:03 pm

nathanr wrote:25 pdrs can't fire direct smoke.  .
Didn't think so but...
nathanr wrote:
I'm planning to be there, you can borrow my extra 25pdrs Sean.  I'll even try to get them painted before then.  I also have some extra Shermans you could use as your kangaroos.  I've got 3 of the old resin ones so they'll even have the hole in the middle.
Excellent!
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I'm guessing you have some defrocked priests, they're decent but the RAM Kangaroos have way better armour.
And Sherman Kangaroos are even better  
nathanr wrote:I think the artillery thing you have is the Canadian rocket battery thingy.
Nothing wrong with them - you will certainly get a pin! How many do you have? Saturation of an area is effective.
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Re: Sean's Canadian's

Post  Kal on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:11 pm

@ Lance

Ok i'll try and keep the infantry to a respectable size, I'll just keep dropping .50 cals till i can fit everything

I dont know what i have yet, i think they are 5.5 pdr's? and some Lorre Trucks and something else i'll have to check when i get home.

I thought Ram Kangaroo's were Sherman Kangaroo's? No?

@ Nathan

Firing any smoke is good tho right? I just recall the only way i was able to keep a King Tiger off my back one game was smoked him out so he had to move every turn.

Awesome, appreciate the lending of the 25pdr's and i should have my Kangaroo's by then and maybe even the 25 pdr's so i'll let you know what i need Smile dont kill yourself painting (as the rest of my force wont be painted) i know u got alot of Fantasy your working on too.

No sadly i do not have Land Mattresses or i'd be using them! I think the guns are like 5.5's or something idk they all look the same to me lol.

Yeah i'm assuming before christmas is going to be bad time for all you "family" types. So i'm holding my breath until January haha
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Post  |marauder| on Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:42 pm

Kal wrote:@ Lance

Ok i'll try and keep the infantry to a respectable size, I'll just keep dropping .50 cals till i can fit everything
.50 cals don't compare to PBI
Kal wrote:
I dont know what i have yet, i think they are 5.5 pdr's?
Oh - the good stuff - yes, the way British arty works is you must have the an equal or more amount of 25 pounders before you can have the 5.5s
Kal wrote:and some Lorre Trucks and something else i'll have to check when i get home.
Please check!

Kal wrote:
I thought Ram Kangaroo's were Sherman Kangaroo's? No?
They pretty much look the same -> Ram tanks were made in Canada (as were Shermans) and are more boxy/blocky compared to the angled/rounded Shermans. They are practically the same = you really have to know your tanks to know the difference; the only way to tell is look at them side by side and then you go - 'oh yeah....' http://tank-compare.com/en/compare/ram-ii/m4-sherman#T1=85I68I54I106I122&T2=8I12I9I8I105 But, in game it is a +1 front armour difference.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/vehicles/restorations/restore7.html
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/apc.htm
https://servicepub.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/the-ram-kangaroo-armoured-personnel-carrier-part-1/
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-armour/allied/kangaroos.htm
Supposedly some Rams were also used as spotters instead of Shermans.
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Post  nathanr on Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:49 pm

The rams had a cast hull rather than a riveted one.
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Post  Kal on Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:10 pm

Ok ram's are pretty cool looking, especially that first one that was recovered in 1985 or w.e Looks super awesome and low profile. Sleek.

Cast huller were stronger right? I know the Russians had issues with their rivets coming lose and bouncing around inside the tank killing the crew if the tank got hit with a hard enough blow.

The +1 armour seems worth, gotta beable to take a hit. Ok i think what Sean needs to do it tell you guys what he has at home first. haha then purchase more Wink unless i go to Saskatoon this Saturday then i'll just buy it at the Den, if they got what i need.

Anyways, thanks guys!
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Post  |marauder| on Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:26 pm

Not sure there are any models for Sherman Kangaroos - just Ram ones. They are so close nobody will notice just what is on the list sheet.
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Post  Kal on Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:17 pm

What I have is 4x 17pdr's
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Post  Kal on Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:35 pm

Oh and what are the correct models for a HQ? Or how can I represent it?
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Post  |marauder| on Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:57 pm

Kal wrote:What I have is 4x 17pdr's
Whoa! AT15 deadly guns there!
Very scary (deadly serious)


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Post  |marauder| on Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:58 pm

Kal wrote:Oh and what are the correct models for a HQ? Or how can I represent it?
I try to have two guys sticking up on the turret or a driver with a popped hatch and a popped turret hatch.
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