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Post  squalie on Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:16 pm

Hey Lads, let's make it official! I'm going to post progress, lists and pictures of my 2 armies. My 1st Armoured Polish Division and my British 11th Armoured Division. I'll start with the Polish list and explain choices that may seem less than ideal.

1st Armoured Polish Division (Szwadron Pancerny) Fearless/Trained, 1900 points exactly



HQ: 2 Sherman v, Sherman ARV
3 Sherman V, 1 Firefly VC, AA MG
3 Sherman V, 1 Firefly VC, AA MG
3 Sherman V, 1 Firefly VC, AA MG
2 Crusaders AA
3 UC Scout Patrol, 3 hull MG
Motor Platoon, M5 Halftrack
4 M10 17 pdrs
4 Sextons (Polish used Sextons instead of 25 pdrs - usually)

Really like this list and the story behind the guys. Lots of AA and high AT. I could drop the Firefly AA and ARV and change the Motor Platoon into an infantry Platoon. Worth the change? Really like the looks of the M5's but if they're not on the table often then what's the point? Still willing to accept advice buuuut pretty much everything is primed and ready for paint as is. The Polish were clinical in the appearance of their tanks so everything was usually nice and tidy and clean.

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Post  nathanr on Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Nice! Looks like a fun list and it's nice to see the progress being made.

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Post  Carson on Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:31 pm

I guess I'll have to jump on this bandwagon as well. fun being able to take a pic of an army in a box other than a table wide view of what were used too.

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Post  squalie on Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:36 pm

And the 11th Armoured Division.  Here's where it gets tricky though, I can make the 11th Armoured (Confident trained) or 15th/19th Hussars out of the Nachtjager book (Confident Veteran).

11th Armoured:



HQ: 2 Cromwell IV
3 Cromwell IV, 1 Challenger A30
3 Cromwell IV, 1 Challenger A30
3 Cromwell IV, 1 Challenger A30
3 Stuart VI Jalopy
4 Cromwell CS, Luttrell close support (acts like 25 pdrs)
Lorried Rifle Platoon
UC Scout patrol, hull MG
4 Bofors 40mm

 Had a Typhoon but going to try the Bofors 40mm so I can count them as a drop and use them all game.  Luttrells Support is pretty much 25 pdrs on Cromwells and he gets rerolls to range and bog checks.  The list is Confident Trained though and leads into my next question;  Is it worth having less Platoons to make them Veteran?  The next list is the 15th/19th Hussars.  Is it worth basically paying 30 points extra for EACH TANK for Vet status?

HQ: Cromwell IV and Cromwell VI CS, Cromwell ARV
4 Cromwell IV
4 Cromwell IV
4 Challenger A30
Lorried rifle platoon (can ride tanks)
3 UC Scout Patrol, hull MG's
3 UC Scout Patrol, hull MG's

 The second list is Veteran but has no AA to speak of so I'm at the mercy of aircraft.  I'll just have to hug buildings, etc and play careful.

 These are the lists I struggle with and advice is more than welcome with the Brits.

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Post  ScottRadom on Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:41 pm

I think only you can answer the question if quantity beats quality.

I play Americans and often I lament that their not near as crafty as their German counterparts across the table. And with their zigging and sagging storm trooper moves...

But sometimes having way more toys on the table beats all. My opinion is if you truly want to find out what you like more start off with the trained lists then move to Vet. You'll either appreciate the troop quality more and move up or not enjoy the loss of platoons. If you start with vet's as I did it was really, really tough to find any joy in the trained stuff even though it's just a reverse of the same principle.

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Post  nathanr on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:28 pm

That is very wise advice Scott. I think the only way I'd move down to trained is if I went with something completely different. Luckily I've got just that with my confident trained Canadian infantry.

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Post  Carson on Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:42 pm

I've tried both veteran and trained, I really didn't see that much of a difference actually, You get hit more often as trained but usually have the numbers to absorb it. Getting hit in a platoon containing 2 tanks hurts way more than taking 4 hits in a platoon of 7-9

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:12 am

Carson wrote:I've tried both veteran and trained, I really didn't see that much of a difference actually, You get hit more often as trained  but usually have the numbers to absorb it. Getting hit in a platoon containing 2 tanks hurts way more than taking 4 hits in a platoon of 7-9
I prefer not to get myself...
Also, any arty I take I need to hit and that skill check is crucial.

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Post  squalie on Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:24 pm

I keep forgetting that arty uses the skill of the Platoon. Also, my struggle with the Brit CT vs CV thing is not a worry. Both the 11th armoured and 15th/19th Hussars are black bulls so I can model them up and try both!

Would anyone make changes to these lists?

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:32 pm

squalie wrote:And the 11th Armoured Division.  Here's where it gets tricky though, I can make the 11th Armoured (Confident trained) or 15th/19th Hussars out of the Nachtjager book (Confident Veteran).

11th Armoured:

HQ: 2 Cromwell IV
3 Cromwell IV, 1 Challenger A30
3 Cromwell IV, 1 Challenger A30
3 Cromwell IV, 1 Challenger A30
3 Stuart VI Jalopy
4 Cromwell CS, Luttrell close support (acts like 25 pdrs)
Lorried Rifle Platoon
UC Scout patrol, hull MG
4 Bofors 40mm
I see you have a nice Cromwll ARV but none in the list?
I also see you have regular Stuarts in place of the Jalopy's - should see if you could magnetize a MG dude so you can use either or.
squalie wrote:
4 Cromwell CS, Luttrell close support (acts like 25 pdrs)
Except without a staff team
Looks pretty good - going to need all your recce lift GtG every turn! That way you can max out your HE shots.

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Post  squalie on Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:27 pm

That's why I have 2 recce platoons, which I don't normally do. Since they don't make Jalopies, I saw a fellow make a MG dude that fits in the Stuart hull slot and copy that idea. Luttrel allows you to reroll to range in so that helps?

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:37 pm

squalie wrote:That's why I have 2 recce platoons, which I don't normally do. Since they don't make Jalopies, I saw a fellow make a MG dude that fits in the Stuart  hull slot and copy that idea. Luttrel allows you to reroll to range in so that helps?
Luttrel? Is that a special British rule?

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Post  squalie on Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:54 pm

No, luttrell is te fellow that leads the platoon of Cromwell CS. He allows rerolls to range in and bog checks. He was a big part of the 11th armoured and hussars.

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:16 pm

Very cool - those are decent special abilities!

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Post  nathanr on Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:53 pm

Haha re-roll bogging checks:

"sir, we appear to be stuck"

"are you sure?"

"huh, I guess not"

Or is the rest of the company made up of shitty drivers who can't figure out how to rock it back and forth and instead just floor it when they're stuck? They need the commander to tell them how to get themselves out.

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:06 pm

nathanr wrote:Haha re-roll bogging checks:

"sir, we appear to be stuck"

"are you sure?"

"huh, I guess not"

Or is the rest of the company made up of shitty drivers who can't figure out how to rock it back and forth and instead just floor it when they're stuck?  They need the commander to tell them how to get themselves out.
More like:
"Sir I don't think we are going to make it!"
"Darn it Corporal - gun it!"

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Post  Kal on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:14 pm

Lol i dont think u can "rock" a tank... Not sure if it would shift that quickly? Haha not gonna lie nathan we are stuck. um guess not. Had me laughing so hard

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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:27 pm

huh?

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Post  nathanr on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:28 pm

Deleted the accidental post

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Post  squalie on Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:08 pm

Lol.

Luttrell, as the stories go, had uncanny accuracy with lobbing shells out of a Cromwell. In addition, was very good at getting tanks unstuck (whatever that means). All tank Platoons within 6" get this ability. AND, you get 4 Cromwells, with that ability, for 210 points. Seems a bargain!

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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:56 pm

Special characters...

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Post  squalie on Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:09 pm

ScottRadom wrote:Special characters...

Uh-oh, does that have the same stigma in FoW? I see named stuff in lists all the time, is that generally taboo? I'm not married to the fellow - he could easily be dropped.

I guess this is as good a time as any to ask everyone their thoughts on this. Hadn't even occurred to me...

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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:17 pm

What the hell do I know about anything. I know I WON'T be taking them. And I WILL be thumbing my nose at those who do. For the same reasons as in Warhammer. Having said that if the Glottkin are in 9th ed. I WILL be taking them.

To be fair who gives a shit Don? Just take what makes you happy and don't worry about all the ridicule I'll be heaping on you. And in return you should be ready to make fun of my bog standard American tank company in all it's confident trained glory.

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Post  squalie on Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:37 pm

ScottRadom wrote:What the hell do I know about anything.  I know I WON'T be taking them.  And I WILL be thumbing my nose at those who do.  For the same reasons as in Warhammer.  Having said that if the Glottkin are in 9th ed. I WILL be taking them.

To be fair who gives a shit Don?  Just take what makes you happy and don't worry about all the ridicule I'll be heaping on you.  And in return you should be ready to make fun of my bog standard American tank company in all it's confident trained glory.

I will patiently wait for other opinions before telling you to piss off or not. Very Happy

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Post  nathanr on Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:20 pm

I've got a special character in my Canadian list, heck for another 25 points I could have 2! They are a good way to boost the quality of a platoon. I'd say go for it. After all, there were special characters in real life.

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