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Post  Kal on Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:57 pm

Ok so.... I believe this is my list? Game plan= CHARGE! Pew pew BOOM - Victory!

HQ

Tankovy Batalon HQ (Guards) x 1
T-34 obr 1942
50

Combat Companies

Tankovy Company (Guards) x 9
T-34 obr 1942
365

Tankovy Company (Guards) x 8
T-34/85 obr 1944
555

Support Companies

Guards Heavy Tank Company x 4
IS-2 obr 1944
585

Medium Assault Gun Company (Guards) x 4
SU-100
345
Desperate Measures - Soviet Late-War - Platoon Count: 4

Some flaws are ... not enough tanks?

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  nathanr on Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:37 pm

I'm not sure exactly what a Russian tank company is supposed to look like. It isn't a lot of platoons but I don't know if that is a problem. I'm excited to find out though, that looks like a lot of fun with all those tanks!

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Kal on Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:56 pm

Am I going to atleast have a CHANCE to win games? if so then im 100% in lets go who wants a game? Im not sure what any problems are going to be but I got Forces Of War Russian stuff and made a list!

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Carson on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:14 pm

I could be totally wrong but I think pure tank armies have a real hard time taking objectives from dug in infantry. You'll dominate any armour battles but will probably loose the games.

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Kal on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:22 pm

ok... are there 1. Russian Tanks, that can destroy dug in infantry or 2. Advice?

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  nathanr on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:19 pm

Infantry platoons are usually fairly inexpensive. For the price of a few tanks you should be able to afford some infantry support. Even adding tank riders could help you but a platoon or two of infantry would give you more versatility.

That or some flamethrowers...

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Kal on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:35 pm

Don has given me similar advice... Flamethrowers... can those go on tanks?

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  nathanr on Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:36 am

Don't know about soviets. Brits have both crocodiles and wasp carriers and Germans have them on half tracks. I would guess the soviets put then in an unarmoured truck of some sort. That or just give them to some poor foot slogger. I'll look into it.

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  squalie on Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:04 am

I've seen quite a few straight tank lists online so I figure it's possible to win with just tanks. Having said that, like most games, if you're playing a theme or a one dimensional list that you'll crush some games and lose others. The "paper-scissors-rock" thing.

IS-2's have rear MG's which apparently help a lot with assaulting infantry and you'll want to soften your target before assaulting anyways. Recce is great for keeping the enemy honest also.

Go to the FoW forums and WWPD. Spend some time there as guys much more experienced than us can help. Plus, you can take a look at some Tankovy lists and get the advice already posted for others....


....now leave us alone. Very Happy

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  nathanr on Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:18 am

Squalie wrote:....now leave us alone. Very Happy

Haha, at least now you're asking the smarter questions Sean. As Don says, you are probably asking the wrong people as most of us are in the same boat as you and know nothing about Flames of War. Don and I know just enough to give terrible advice.

I think you can add smg-armed tank riders to your tank platoons which apparently help in assaults. It would also give you some infantry without having to add infantry platoons. As far as I can tell, Soviets only get infantry flame-thrower teams so no vehicles with flamethrowers.

They might be able to ride on your tanks too though? i have no idea.

What list are you using on Forces of War? I'll check it out and then I can maybe give you more informed advice. If Don gets too annoyed with the questions we can always move it to PM.

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  nathanr on Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:54 am

Here's what I came up with:

Tankovy Batalon HQ (Guards)
1x T-34 obr 1942 w/ smg tank escort - HQ (60 points)

Tankovy Company (Guards)
3x T-34 obr 1942
3x T-34/85 obr 1944
6x SMG tank escort (425 points)

Tankovy Company (Guards)
9x T-34 obr 1942 (365 point)

Tank Rider Company (Guards)
1x Cmd SMG team
10x SMG teams
2x Panzerfaust SMG teams
2x Maksim HMG teams (320 points)

Guards Heavy Tank Company
3x IS-2 obr 1944
3x SMG tank escort (470 points)

Medium Assault Gun Company (Guards)
3x SU-100 (260 points)

You get less tanks and the quality of your tanks is also diminished but you get a shit-ton of close-range infantry which are perfect for assaulting.  I still know nothing about the Soviets but I think this list at least addresses the fact that sometimes you are going to end up fighting against infantry.

I also made this:

Tankovy Batalon HQ (Red Army)
1x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
1x SMG Tank Escort
60

Tankovy Company (Red Army)
8x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
310

Tankovy Company (Red Army)
8x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
8x SMG Tank Escort
390

Tank-rider Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd SMG team
17x SMG team
1x Panzerfaust SMG team
315

Motorised Anti-tank Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd Rifle team
4x 57mm ZIS-2 gun
145

Tankovy Company (Red Army)
8x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
8x SMG Tank Escort
390

Tank Destruction Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd Rifle team
4x 57mm ZIS-2 gun
145

Tank Destruction Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd Rifle team
4x 57mm ZIS-2 gun
145

Total Platoons: 7

The tank destruction companies have AT11 and 3 shots each making them the equivalent of the British 6pdr guns which are excellent. You don't have anything that'll punch through the really heavy armour though so you'd have to be crafty and try for some side armour shots. You've got lots of infantry for assaults and 25 tanks.



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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:24 pm

nathanr wrote:Here's what I came up with:

Tankovy Batalon HQ (Guards)
1x T-34 obr 1942 w/ smg tank escort - HQ (60 points)

Tankovy Company (Guards)
3x T-34 obr 1942
3x T-34/85 obr 1944
6x SMG tank escort (425 points)

Tankovy Company (Guards)
9x T-34 obr 1942 (365 point)

Tank Rider Company (Guards)
1x Cmd SMG team
10x SMG teams
2x Panzerfaust SMG teams
2x Maksim HMG teams (320 points)

Guards Heavy Tank Company
3x IS-2 obr 1944
3x SMG tank escort (470 points)

Medium Assault Gun Company (Guards)
3x SU-100 (260 points)

You get less tanks and the quality of your tanks is also diminished but you get a shit-ton of close-range infantry which are perfect for assaulting.  I still know nothing about the Soviets but I think this list at least addresses the fact that sometimes you are going to end up fighting against infantry.

I also made this:

Tankovy Batalon HQ (Red Army)
1x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
1x SMG Tank Escort
60

Tankovy Company (Red Army)
8x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
310

Tankovy Company (Red Army)
8x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
8x SMG Tank Escort
390

Tank-rider Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd SMG team
17x SMG team
1x Panzerfaust SMG team
315

Motorised Anti-tank Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd Rifle team
4x 57mm ZIS-2 gun
145

Tankovy Company (Red Army)
8x T-34 obr 1942 with Cupola
8x SMG Tank Escort
390

Tank Destruction Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd Rifle team
4x 57mm ZIS-2 gun
145

Tank Destruction Company (Red Army)
1x Cmd Rifle team
4x 57mm ZIS-2 gun
145

Total Platoons: 7

The tank destruction companies have AT11 and 3 shots each making them the equivalent of the British 6pdr guns which are excellent.  You don't have anything that'll punch through the really heavy armour though so you'd have to be crafty and try for some side armour shots.  You've got lots of infantry for assaults and 25 tanks.

Good day Sean,

One platoon I really think you require is an infiltration platoon. It allows you to move that platoon and an attached platoon/company 16" up closer to your opponent.
Just an idea.

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Kal on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:58 am

Ok on my phone so i cant respond comptely. Super thanks for the help and advice guys. But my main question is those lists all have infantry. Is there anyway to play but have ONLY tanks. And still be ok vs dug in? minimum all vehicles

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  nathanr on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:54 am

You can probably do all tanks but I'd still add the tank escort teams on your medium tanks. It gives you a bit of additional help in assaults as your tanks will each get 2 assaulting attacks and the tank escorts can also help against infantry sneaking up on your tanks. They aren't infantry teams, they're just dudes that hang out on the back of your tanks and help out with some close-range shooting and assaulting.

Honestly, I don't think you'll have much trouble assaulting infantry with Soviet Tanks. The problem is usually that you are outnumbered with tanks vs infantry but if you have 8 tanks with riders you get 32 shots beforehand (so you'll likely pin down whatever you are planning to assault limiting their defensive fire) and then 16 attacks in the assault.

Even shooting dug in infantry with your tanks should work out fairly well for you. 16 shots with 3+ firepower should be able to take out a few teams per turn and certainly pin them down when you add in your machine guns.

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  |marauder| on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:04 am

Kal wrote:Ok on my phone so i cant respond comptely. Super thanks for the help and advice guys. But my main question is those lists all have infantry. Is there anyway to play but have ONLY tanks. And still be ok vs dug in? minimum all vehicles
Only tanks - hmmmm.... the only answer would be TE's on every tank. That way if your assault does not bounce you get max dice to remove said infantry. However, your tanks are very expensive points wise for doing that with 85s - 76s are okay and even lesser 'pointage' tanks would be ideal.
nathanr wrote:You can probably do all tanks but I'd still add the tank escort teams on your medium tanks. It gives you a bit of additional help in assaults as your tanks will each get 2 assaulting attacks and the tank escorts can also help against infantry sneaking up on your tanks. They aren't infantry teams, they're just dudes that hang out on the back of your tanks and help out with some close-range shooting and assaulting.

Honestly, I don't think you'll have much trouble assaulting infantry with Soviet Tanks. The problem is usually that you are outnumbered with tanks vs infantry but if you have 8 tanks with riders you get 32 shots beforehand (so you'll likely pin down whatever you are planning to assault limiting their defensive fire) and then 16 attacks in the assault.

Even shooting dug in infantry with your tanks should work out fairly well for you. 16 shots with 3+ firepower should be able to take out a few teams per turn and certainly pin them down when you add in your machine guns.
Agreed - sorry I missed this post as it echoes mine.
My son, Levi, just ran a tankovy list in the last LW Tournament - he is heading back to his Strelkovy list. He had a total of 31 tanks including two Panthers & a Tiger. In LW there are just too many panzerfausts and AT guns = the bounce is going to happen.

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  |marauder| on Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:17 pm

Let's look at a LW Soviet Infantry Company = 4 Companies:

Strelkovy Batalon HQ (Red Army)  
2 Cmd Rifle team
1 Komissar team
2 45mm obr 1942 gun
2 Horse-drawn limber
5 Pioneer Rifle team
1 Pioneer Supply Horse-drawn wagon
175

Combat Companies  

Strelkovy Company (Red Army)  
1 Cmd Rifle/MG team
1 Komissar team
14 Rifle/MG team
7 SMG team
1 Maksim HMG team
390

Strelkovy Company (Red Army)  
1 Cmd Rifle/MG team
1 Komissar team
14 Rifle/MG team
7 SMG team
1 Maksim HMG team
390

Weapons Companies  

Strelkovy Scout Platoon  Fearless  Veteran  
1 Cmd SMG team
2 SMG team
100

Strelkovy Anti-tank Rifle Company (Red Army)  
1 Cmd Rifle team
12 PTRD anti-tank rifle
125

Corps Support Companies  

Tankovy Company  
7 M3s (M3 Lee)
7 SMG Tank Escort
345

Flame-thrower Platoon (Red Army)  
8 Flame-thrower team
360

Batalon Points: 1885

The PTRDs, Pioneer, 45mm guns, & Flame Throwers attach to the Combat Companies making them very large; large enough to swallow most tank platoons Smile

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Kal on Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:40 pm

That doesn't look very tanky....

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:14 am

Kal wrote:That doesn't look very tanky....
It eats tank lists for breakfast - the bigger and heavier the tank list the better.

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:41 am

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Corps Support Companies  

Tankovy Company  
7 M3s (M3 Lee)
7 SMG Tank Escort
345

What about these guys?

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Kal on Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:26 am

Eww no M3's, as my Russians call them "A Grave For 6 Brothers" no self respecting Russian would catch themselves in a M3 after 1943 when T-34's were more avalible

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:50 am

Kal wrote:Eww no M3's, as my Russians call them "A Grave For 6 Brothers" no self respecting Russian would catch themselves in a M3 after 1943 when T-34's were more avalible
The gun(s) was/were much respected by the Soviets plus the gear box did not slip like that of T34 Wink

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Post  Kal on Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:06 am

I have to disagree only in that from what ive read they were not popular with the Russians. They were spitting out so many T-34's that were just a better combat tank. Just cuz the T-34's couldnt do any kind of road trip without breaking isnt as important as not dying whe. U get shot at Wink plus they came up for a solution to the gear problems. They would just carry a spare transmission on the backs of their tanks haha. Plus i have no M3 figs and tons of T-34's im trying to use what i have for now.

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Post  |marauder| on Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:02 pm

Kal wrote:I have to disagree only in that from what ive read they were not popular with the Russians. They were spitting out so many T-34's that were just a better combat tank. Just cuz the T-34's couldnt do any kind of road trip without breaking isnt as important as not dying whe. U get shot at Wink plus they came up for a solution to the gear problems. They would just carry a spare transmission on the backs of their tanks haha. Plus i have no M3 figs and tons of T-34's im trying to use what i have for now.
My son has 21 T34s and 7 M3s - he prefers the M3s.

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  Kal on Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:06 pm

Interesting... Why? Is there a big stat/cost difference?

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Re: Sean's Tankovy Batalon

Post  squalie on Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:12 pm

Lance, I'd like you to meet Sean. He is always like this and refuses to take medicine. Good luck.

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