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Post  nathanr on Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:44 am

Well, I've had a few games of Flames of War and I can officially say that I'm hooked. I've got a lot of terrain-building on the go with about 30' worth of Bocage hedgerows started. My test pieces are nearly done, just need a bit more paint on them before I post some pictures. It's going to take a ton of work but it's looking good so far and I can't wait to play some games on a table full of terrain that I built.

I'm still very excited about playing Warhammer but I feel like FOW is the perfect supplement as it is very strategic, more so than Warhammer, you have to really think ahead at what you are going to do and what your opponent is going to do. I also love the way the game uses the terrain.

Not much else to this post, just a love-letter to FOW I guess.

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Post  ScottRadom on Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:04 am

It is a great game. I like the mid war period way more than late war for a lot of reasons. Mid war lists seems to feel more like a player is making some tough choices to balance out their lists. Balancing offensive and defensive capabilities. Late war seems like you get so much more for your buck you don't have to make those choices.

I'd love it if a few of us decided to hop in, even if I had to play late war I'd still be up for it. I currently have 1500 of mid Americans and Germans with a Soviet force under construction collecting dust.

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Post  Kal on Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:13 am

This game is really that fun eh? Everyone of you guys who tries it seems to LOVE it immediately... maybe i really should jump on this band wagon, im kind of done buying new Warhammer figs atm, got my 3 armies might flush out a few units but they are kind of the way i want them atm.... What era would everyone play and how much stuff would i need? point wise and dollar wise for figs? If so someone DEFINITELY has to teach me how to paint stupid tanks... stupid camo....

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Post  nathanr on Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:35 am

I like the late war because I'm a fan of the Normandy campaign. All the good WWII movies are about it and you get to play with all the fun toys. I can see why someone would like midwar for the reasons you gave Scott, but I don't feel like I'm able to take everything I want in Late War either.

Sean, depending on what nation you would be collecting, British and American tanks aren't camo, they're just olive green with a wash. Pick out some details and put on some transfers and you're done. I think the common point level is 1900 but just as with Warhammer you can play at any point level. Dollar-wise it is less expensive than Warhammer. I think I've spent about $400 total on FOW, maybe $500 if you include the books and paint.

There are a few of us that have either started or re-started with FOW in the last little bit: Me (British/Canadian Airborne Armour), Don (Polish Armour), Carson (Germans & Canadians), Bob (Germans & Canadians). There's a pretty steep learning curve but I'm starting to figure it out.

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Post  Kal on Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:44 am

Well i would rly want to go Canadian but as i see a few of you guys already have them so i wouldnt mind a British army, especially if they are easy to paint Razz . So what kind of figs would one start with? Like is there core? Less expensive than warhammer is nice. From what im understanding you can kind of keep the same army build and not get bored. Does this game have characters? like that you gear out or anything or just everyones generic troops? Hard learning curve eh? Is it like Warhammer easier to learn by playing or?

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Post  nathanr on Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:45 pm

There's a good set of videos on the flames of war website that can give you a feel for the game. It breaks down the turn into the different phases and the last video is a small game where they explain what they're doing as they go. It's a good starting point that let's you see how everything works.

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Post  squalie on Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:16 pm

Flames of war is excellent. I've been to a couple of events in Regina and I'm definitely hooked. Game is cheaper, and very strategic.

Everyone wants to play Canadians, as we're Canadians. I was the same, but switched soon after I saw what other Nations get and rules, etc. A Canadian division will look almost the same as a British divisions as a lot of the equipment is the same. the special rules each has is the main difference.

I like Tanks, SO I have 2 armoured lists. 1st Poilsh armoured division, which would look exactly like any other Sherman tank British or Canadian list - just using the Polish special rules. I also have a 11th armoured list (11/19 Hussars) which has British Cromwell tanks.

Unlike Warhammer, Terrain is very much your friend in FoW.

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Post  Carson on Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:31 pm

I've said it before but it is definitely the best miniatures game I have played. Rules are tight, the visual of the game is fantastic, and its very easy to change up your lists with minimal investment once the buy in is done.

Like Don said, once you have shermans you can pretty much build a Canadian, British, or American company with minimal changes. My "Canadian" force can be used as either Canadian or British just by using the appropriate rules.

My Germans are my favourite though. I've just added some SturmTigers to my collection.......beware dug-in infantry!

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Post  Kal on Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:45 pm

Ok ok this sounds fun... I hate all of you guys. Ill have money by the end of next month for a force if i want. Ill watch you guys play at Dons games day maybe? But i still want all of you to play me in warhammer!! Where does one buy a decient force? (im sure this will be easier to talk about in person) How does a British force look? And what are their special bows. "Longbowmen" ... Was in Age Of Empires but i assume their usefullness would be limited vs tanks

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Post  squalie on Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:05 pm

Nathan M, was asking about this also. Do your homework and decide if you want an infantry list, an armoured list or a mech "armoured car" type list. Take a look at all the Nations and decide which toys you like. I'm very tempted in a Soviet list but have enough for now...probably more than I nned actually.

Anyways, go to the Flames of War site and cruise around for awhile. You'll be able to ask better questions as the game is a little confusing at the start.

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Post  nathanr on Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:18 pm

It all depends on what you want. There are so many different types of lists, there are dozens of different tank companies alone, add in airborne, infantry and mechanized lists and you can pretty much make whatever you like. Like Sherman tanks? 11th armoured is a good choice. Cromwells more your style? Desert rats. Or do you prefer infantry or armoured cars? Whatever you are looking for can probably be built. I think German and Russian lists look interesting too and if I watch band of brothers or saving private Ryan or fury again I might get inspired enough to make an American force. Whatever turns your crank.

And no, there are no longbowmen. By this period the common British soldier had upgraded to the Royal Enfield rifle. Also not much use against a tank but that's what a PIAT is for.

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Post  nathanr on Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:50 am

Here's the first two bocage test pieces. I think I need to put a wash or something on the brown as it seems a bit too light. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with how they turned out.



Here are the rest awaiting paint and foliage:



And a few other pieces including the first of the stream sections:



And the rest of the stream sections are started:



Just need to build or buy a good bridge and make some road sections.

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Post  squalie on Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:08 pm

Did anyone ever tell you that you're frustratingly productive? Very Happy Looks good!

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Post  Kal on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:04 pm

He is isnt he! Lookin good tho, cant argue with results!

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Post  nathanr on Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:45 am

Thanks guys, I try. The pile of unfinished hedgerow pieces is a bit intimidating but I'm excited with how everything is coming together so far. I don't think I've ever been this excited about a project. Unfortunately I don't know how much time I'm going to have for terrain building in the near future. Sarah's mom went in for cancer surgery this morning so I'm thinking the next couple of weeks are going to be spent in hospital visits or watching the kids so Sarah can be with her mom.

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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:55 pm

nathanr wrote:Thanks guys, I try.  The pile of unfinished hedgerow pieces is a bit intimidating but I'm excited with how everything is coming together so far.  I don't think I've ever been this excited about a project.  Unfortunately I don't know how much time I'm going to have for terrain building in the near future.  Sarah's mom went in for cancer surgery this morning so I'm thinking the next couple of weeks are going to be spent in hospital visits or watching the kids so Sarah can be with her mom.

Sorry to hear that amigo.

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Post  Carson on Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:07 pm

hope everything goes well Nathan.

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Post  squalie on Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:45 pm

Very sorry to hear that. Sarah's cool, tell her our thoughts are with you and yours.

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Post  nathanr on Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:27 pm

Thanks guys, the surgery went well today and everyone is good. They won't know much more until they get some test results back but everyone seems pretty optimistic.

Anyhoo, let's get back to the FOW. People on the forums are telling me to take anti tank guns and artillery. I feel like that will just make my force way more static. Maybe that's what I need to do with the list that I'm playing and I need to pick a different list like a tank company or something. Do any of the vets have any thoughts on this?

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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:04 pm

I never had the patience for the static approach, I always went with fast tank companies or mechanized with lots of tank support.

In my opinion the static lists were stronger and way more forgiving. That was in 2nd ed. but it seemed like you paid a points premium for speed and hitting power so the smaller amount of platoons I had meant I had to move very fast to get 'er done. My games were usually 3 turn affairs, one way or another.

My plan was to always pick a nation and start with a tank company as is was easiest to get painted and on the table first, blend into a mechanized company and then an infantry company. It never happened as I bounced to other nations stuff instead.

I might take a long look at doing a German force though as it seems most of you guys are hellbent on playing allied lists. I'll bring some to Don's house to putz around with on the 21st.

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Post  squalie on Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:23 am

Well, you either have to have something that deals directly with tanks or have a lot of something that can deal with the side armour of Tanks.Very Happy Tank support is great, if you can get Fireflys in there. The Typhoons make short work of a lot of things...when they work. And, at the end of the day it's mostly about the objectives. I have tons to deal with armour in my lists and still lose, pretty much all the time, as I don't stay focused on the objective and just want to blow stuff up.

This game is a real eye opener.

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Post  nathanr on Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:47 am

I've got the cromwells which are fast and can deal with side armour. I think I need to get better at using them properly but they can zip up and around the slower German tanks due to their 16" movement. The Tetrarchs are also ok against side armour, especially with the littlejohn adapters which boosts their AT to 9. As a last resort the infantry have PIATs which can do some damage both shooting and in assaults. I've been toying with the idea of swapping them for paratroopers or airlanding troops as then they'll get Gammon bombs boosting all their AT assault to 3 which is fairly good. It would also make them fearless veterans instead of confident trained but it is quite a few points to do that so I'll have to drop some other stuff.

I love the Typhoon, in my last game it took out 3 or 4 tanks and most of a rocket battery. I also saw how easy it is to miss with it or have it shot down which makes it a bit of a gamble. It does give your opponent something to think about though and just the threat of it can affect how your opponent moves and positions his troops which makes it almost worth taking even if it doesn't do anything else.

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Post  Kal on Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:07 am

This sounds like 40k.... Ive been looking into this briefly when i have had time and reading all of your posts, and Tank army is the simplest way to build and use an army from the start? I personally would think something fast and hard hitting marked with Khorne would be my prefered list. Would that be a mechanized force? Like those are half tracks etc rite?

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Post  nathanr on Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:42 am

My mechanized list looks like this:

2 Tetrarch CS tanks - very light tanks.  Basically an armoured car with tracks
3 Cromwell Tanks - Fast medium tank.  Same stats as a Sherman but faster
3 Cromwell Tanks
3 Tetrarch Tanks - 1 with littlejohn adapter (increases the punch of the main gun against armour but makes it useless against infantry)
3 Tetrarch Tanks - 1 with littlejohn adapter
Airborne Recce Platoon - 1 jeep, 4 motorcycles and a universal carrier with 2 machine guns
Airborne Recce Platoon
Airlanding Machine Gun Platoon - 2 MG teams
Canadian Rifle Platoon - 6 rifle/mg teams, command team, light mortar & PIAT with 2 defrocked priests
Canadian Rifle Platoon
Priority Air Support - Typhoon

The rifle platoons are good for defense while the rest can forge ahead and try to take the objectives.  I could put in artillery and anti tank guns but then it becomes much more defensive or I could add in some armoured cars to give me some more speed.  I feel that I have a decent mix of offense and defense.  If you want something with a Khorne mentality I'd take a Russian Tank company.  They have pretty decent tanks and you can take a lot of them.

For fun I made a Russian Tank Company list. It has 31 tanks as well as a tank destruction company with 4 57mm anti tank guns. I don't know how effective it would be as those 31 tanks are in units of 10 (+1 command tank) but it is certainly impressive. 21 of those tanks also have SMG tank escort teams.

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Post  squalie on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:44 pm

nathanr wrote:My mechanized list looks like this:

2 Tetrarch CS tanks - very light tanks.  Basically an armoured car with tracks
3 Cromwell Tanks - Fast medium tank.  Same stats as a Sherman but faster
3 Cromwell Tanks
3 Tetrarch Tanks - 1 with littlejohn adapter (increases the punch of the main gun against armour but makes it useless against infantry)
3 Tetrarch Tanks - 1 with littlejohn adapter
Airborne Recce Platoon - 1 jeep, 4 motorcycles and a universal carrier with 2 machine guns
Airborne Recce Platoon
Airlanding Machine Gun Platoon - 2 MG teams
Canadian Rifle Platoon - 6 rifle/mg teams, command team, light mortar & PIAT with 2 defrocked priests
Canadian Rifle Platoon
Priority Air Support - Typhoon

The rifle platoons are good for defense while the rest can forge ahead and try to take the objectives.  I could put in artillery and anti tank guns but then it becomes much more defensive or I could add in some armoured cars to give me some more speed.  I feel that I have a decent mix of offense and defense.  If you want something with a Khorne mentality I'd take a Russian Tank company.  They have pretty decent tanks and you can take a lot of them.

For fun I made a Russian Tank Company list.  It has 31 tanks as well as a tank destruction company with 4 57mm anti tank guns.  I don't know how effective it would be as those 31 tanks are in units of 10 (+1 command tank) but it is certainly impressive.  21 of those tanks also have SMG tank escort teams.

To my uneducated eye, that list looks fine - you just need a dozen games to get comfortable with it. I've never even heard of a FoW list that "can't compete". It's an extremely balanced system that begs you to learn you armies strengths and weaknesses.

I ALSO have made a Soviet tank list as I want rocket launchers very bad (which Canada also had, hmmmm). Very Happy I'll keep my 2 lists for now. If this hobby grows, I'd really like to explore some of the more fringe nations to see what kind of list a guy could make.

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